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01/07/02 Monday

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GENE POOLE


Animal Namaste

NDS

Here is a link to a very interesting story:

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_1746000/1746828.stm>

Mind-boggling!


==Gene Poole==


LOUIS MAJORS

The BIG Question

Is all desire 'wrong' or an 'error'? No

Does God have a 'desire'?
Yes, that's why creation happened, we had a desire to move within ourSelf,
and this unconscious urge to express ourSelf became creation and resulted in
intelligence and personality.

This is one place I fall out with the East and the West, both sound alike as
they attribute creation and it's manifestations as a fall or error.
Self is being that likes to express or create.
We sleep, we wake up and move and create, it's ALL good!


JERRY KATZ

yes, this is your freedom, your own scripture.

jerry


DAN BERKOW

Who desired God to appear to desire creation?

Your explanation doesn't resolve the issue:
if desire causes things to happen, what
gave the desirer the position to be able
to desire?

If you inquire to the end of inquiry, all
questions resolve. They resolve where
no desirer can be formulated, hence no
object of desire can attach or form.

Although people like to talk about "this"
as "no questions arising," it is also the case that when
totality is self-evident, all questions are
answered before asked.

"This" no-moment in which neither desire
nor desirelessness arise: no future goal or outcome
is involved. This no-moment renders
all events past, present, and future
equally now/totality/nothing.

This isn't creation, destruction, the
result of a god, the result of desire,
nor a negation of anything.

Peace,
Dan



ROGER ISAACS

Dear Louis,

I agree, the philosophy "desire is wrong" is itself wrong. Condemning
desire only changes its course and then diversion begets perversion.
Condemnation of desire creates a vicious circle, and condemnation being
yet another movement of desire... the circle remains unbroken.

The most significant characteristic of the "desire" of [wo]man might be
the hypnotic illusion that consciousness is bound by matter? But if
"God" "desires" ... we can only anthropomorphize?

Desire kindly leads us to satisfaction in the material sphere, noting
that satisfaction is transient. But doesn't desire also lead to the
truth beyond transience? If the inner tumult of hypnotic illusion is to
become still, desire for inner stillness is there leading the way? The
desire for inner stillness vigilantly arranges the requisite conditions,
and then having done so ... steps aside?

Roger
www.newu.org



LOUIS MAJORS

It does resolve the question and is my point.
Our being has a desire.
A desire to be active or move.
It is inherent in our being and evolves into everything we are and
experience now.
We are literally inside our own being and outside our own being.
Nothing has to give the desirer the position - it's part of the nature of
our being to be active and to be inactive, like the cycle indicated in the
vedas.


From: "Gloria Lee" <glee@citlink.net>
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2002 1:34 am
Subject: [NDS] [Hafiz] Why All This Talk
To: "HS" <HarshaSatsangh@yahoogroups.com>, "NDS" <NondualitySalon@yahoogroups.com>, "true"
<TrueVision@yahoogroups.com>


----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Riley







Why All This Talk


Why all this talk of the Beloved,
Music and dancing,

And
Liquid ruby-light we can lift in a cup?

Because it is low tide,
A very low tide in this age
And around most hearts.

We are exquisite coral reefs,
Dying when exposed to strange
Elements.

God is the wine-ocean we crave –
We miss

Flowing in and out of our
Pores.


(“The Subject Tonight is Love” – versions of Hafiz by Daniel Ladinsk
t a Hafiz poem: HafSubscribe: Hafiz-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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