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NDS

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<http://www.subgenius.com/>


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==Gene Poole==




Lots of material at this site passed on to me by a visitor. Some
neuroscience links, spiritual research, etc. The big thing is the magnetic
brain stimulation apapratus and software. Anybody tried this or have any
non-experiential feedback?

Love, Sarlo

http://www.jps.net/brainsci/



The Morning After

If I were to talk about a Christian revival where a group of people
came to that evenings meeting regular people, but left "saved", I
would suspect that a large number of people would laugh at the
sillyness of the whole scene. Yet, I have witnessed satsangs where
everyone comes regular people and leaves "free". While I understand
that seeing the fundamental freedom that is ones true nature is
indeed a remarkable event, the problem arises the morning after. The
spark of recognition from the previous evening could be a great torch
for the path ahead, but the insight is often stubornly clung to. The
drive thru enlightenment scene is in full business, and with an
enlightened teachers confirmation of your insight taken to be a
gunuine realization confirmation, and the slippery semantics and
rationalizations of non-duality on your side, I suspect we'll be
seeing them in San Fran, Boulder, Sedona, Santa Fe, or one of the
other satsang mecas. Enlightened on Monday, book deal and satsang
tour Tuesday. With the ever growing sub-culture, it is of particalar
embarassment if you don't take your insight for realization, and with
any group of people, the prospect of being wise,noticed etc. plays a
key role. While your friends may be impressed, it is you that you
live with, and ultimately no amount of affirmation, rationalization
etc. is going to change that. When one sticks stubornly to insight,
silence, calm abiding, affirmation, and claims that this is the final
end, this is a serious problem. Moreover, once one claims that they
are fully enlightened, and have a following, it may be embarassing to
later admit their error. Many teacher claim that truth has no
limit, and then claim that they are "done", what a shame! The old
chan masters used to tell students who had genuine awakenings to
cultivate it for ten years and then share it. But, lets hide
behind "Who is there to cultivate?" Either way I'd wait a little
longer than the morning after.

mdaoyi



It takes much longer than just the morning after for a mind to
adjust to the knowledge that there is no "who" there. However,
over time the mind is cultivated by this knowledge, and a person
moves from realization to enlightenment.

jody




> "Things" have actually 'degenerated' this much?

** actually things are just as they have always been. Mankind is
neither more nor less living the illusion of separation than ever
before. And it wont change in the future either. That is the myth of
the new age, that mankind will awaken. forget about it.


All are blessed
justthis


Karen Osborne Pope discusses 'Ecofeminist alternatives to interpreting
the World'...

In a dualistic world view, you might have femininity/
nature/body/emotion/connectedness/receptivity/the-private-sphere -vs.-
masculinity/culture/ mind(spirit)/reason/autonomy
/aggressiveness/the-public-sphere.

Ecofeminist philosophers consider various alternative conceptualizations
of a relational, interdependent understanding of reality.

Charlene Spretnak defines her philosophical radical nonduality as "the
existence of unitive dimensions of being, a gestalt of a subtle, unitary
field of form, motion, space, and time."

Rationalism denies organicism: if you think you can't feel The self as
separate rejects the unitive notion of being "one with the universe"
According to Spretnak, nonduality "mean(s) a dynamic system of relations
wherein any particular manifestation functions simultaneously as a
distinct part AND the unbroken whole. The parts are not derivative of
the whole, nor vice versa. Each aspect constitutes the other. "
Metaphors of a web or a net are often used by nondualists, but they seem
to me not quite dynamic enough to convey subtle processes of wholeness
and diversity, of nonduality and particularity.

--Karen Osborne Pope
(posted by Jerry)



Personal love is a limited
subset of divine love aka
"The Love Supreme." In
the light of nondual
realization, any such
distinction or separation
is revealed as illusory
and it becomes possible to
see the lover as the
Beloved, the personal as
the Divine, the carnal as
the celibate. Divine love
is all-inclusive, any
categorization within it is
maya, an appearance, a
perceptual aspect of
incarnation. The gender
polarities that draw our
incarnations together are
shakti calling us to unity.

Bruce




Everyone is Ma's sock puppet. She creates an arm for
each and every one of us. All the world's activity
is one big impromptu puppet show directed and performed
by a Mad Woman.

Who knows what the next scene will be? Anything can
happen.

Except to us.

We are that which provides the backdrop of this puppet
drama. We are the universe's pure being, appearing to
reside in each sock as person. In a partnership with
Karma, we paint our faces and costume ourselves with
our thoughts, hopes, loves, beliefs, and all the pain
we have known in this life.

However, we are none of it. We never have been, and
we never will be.

It's a crazy love, this Divine Love.
jody



Dear list,
I have not fallen off the face of the earth, just in case any one
wondered. My opinion of love seems to be a little different from
what i have noticed here. While it is only my opinion, and i have
been known to be wrong, i thought i would share it with you.
In my opinion, Love and sex are not the same. sex is but a mere
substitue for love, and, may i add, a very poor one at that. Sex is
momentary, fleeting, can be had from any time, any place and from
almost any one. It is bought and sold as a comodity and because it
is so easy, so readily available, it has no value in and of itself.
Love however, is a very different thing. Love is when you do
something for someone with out regard for yourself. For no other
reason than because you saw a need, and could do something to make
some small improvement. Love is acceptance of people as they are
with whatever flaw you may see them as having. If you want to
personalize it to a mate then........love is being there when it
isnt easy or fun to be there. Acceptance of the day to day
difficulties that arise between humans who live in close
quarters. it is honesty, trust, fidelity, dependability no matter
what. It is love when you KNOW this person will be there no matter
what, and of course the feeling must be recipricated. Then of
course sex has its part with in this relationship, but not as the
center, but merely as a way to demonstrate physically that which is
felt emotionally. These things cant be bought or sold, they are not
easy to find, they are not momentary or fleeting. Due to this Love
is priceless. Of course, this is only my opinion. I could be wrong,
but if i am, i hope no one ever shows me the light. I dont want to
see it.
Love Gracie




NDS


Excellent resource:

<http://www.peirce.org/>


"We are, doubtless, in the main logical animals, but we are
not perfectly so. Most of us, for example, are naturally
more sanguine and hopeful than logic would justify. We
seem to be so constituted that in
the absence of any facts to go upon we are happy and
self-satisfied; so that the effect of experience is
continually to contract our hopes and aspirations. Yet a
lifetime of the application of this corrective
does not usually eradicate our sanguine disposition.

Gene Poole

(ED:Please note several more quoted examples were given,which are
available from the website.)



If one decides that what they believe about themselves
constitutes jnana--without the actual understanding
present--one has effective blocked jnana from dawning.

This is nondual blockage. It's root lies in the idea of
spiritual "attainment," but it's glue is the ideation which
accompanies speculation as to what nondual reality
is "like."

The mind comes to form a picture of the Self (without
jnana being present) and the experiences reinforce the
belief in attainment. If a person is already there (in belief),
how can the real there be there?

It can't, as it is blocked by the belief that it is.

The cure for nondual blockage is humility. The mind is
on a lifelong journey of development, there is no reason
to decide that what we know now is the end of our learning.

Even after jnana has dawned, the mind continues to grow.
New levels of awareness reveal themselves in a parade
of understanding when we're open to just being who we
are as people.

That's the trick to avoiding nondual blockage, remembering
that we are always little people, as little as we were when
we were babies.

jody

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