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Tuesday, May 1

CEE - Following her visit to Terry Murphy in Hawaii

mahalo terry

for
your wonderful stories and jokes
the beautiful c.ds
the fresh macadamia nuts from your amazing backyard
the trip to the rainforest and seeing the yucca fields
your wonderful stories and jokes
your wide open heart and spiritual wisdom
sharing your favorite beach
the walk with loudog to the very void place

you are the spirit of aloha!
love, cee

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GENE POOLE

I wonder how many NDSers have ever seen the 'horror movie' entitled
"Prince Of Darkness"?

There is a very interesting plot, in which when a person sleeps in a
certain old church, a dream occurs, and everyone who sleeps there,
has the same dream, every night, over and over.

As the movie progresses, you get to see and hear ever-larger snippets
of this mysteriously shared dream. The audio portion of the dream
says, over and over:

"This is not a dream!"

Wierdly, nobody asks themself, "What does it mean to have a dream, in
which, I am told that the dream I am having, is not a dream?"

I have watched this movie a few times, and the dream sequences always
really grab me.

There is a major "Uh-Oh!" moment near the end, which is quite well done.

You can find this movie on videotape, if you are interested.


Major 'B'-movie genre fan,

Gene Poole


"The Cannibal Women of the Avacado Jungle of Death"

"Mars Needs Women"

"Split" (very nondual, if you can find it)

...

"The Yellow Pill"

By PHILLIPS, ROG; pseudonym of Roger Philip Graham, (1909-1965) (chron.)

The Yellow Pill, (ss) Astounding Oct '58
SF:59, ed. Judith Merril, Gnome, 1959
Best SF 4, ed. Edmund Crispin, Faber & Faber, 1961
A Science Fiction Reader, ed. Harry Harrison & Carol Pugner, Scribner's, 1973
Science Fiction, ed. Sylvia Z. Brodkin & Elizabeth J. Pearson,
McDougal, Littell & Co., 1973
The Astounding-Analog Reader, Volume Two, ed. Harry Harrison & Brian
W. Aldiss, Doubleday, 1973
Introductory Psychology Through Science Fiction, ed. Harvey A. Katz,
Patricia S. Warrick & Martin H. Greenberg, Rand, McNally, 1974
Introductory Psychology Through Science Fiction, ed. Harvey A. Katz,
Martin H. Greenberg & Patricia S. Warrick, Rand, McNally, 1977
Science Fiction, ed. Sylvia Z. Brodkin & Elizabeth J. Pearson,
McDougal, Littell & Co., 1979
Weekend Book of Science Fiction, ed. Stuart Gendall, Harmsworth
Publications Ltd., 1981
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TERRY MURPHY:
If we love everyone and give all we can reasonably give to everyone who
approaches us, then we are practicing unconditional love. We may hold
back from some people, and it doesn't mean that we don't love them
unconditionally, it may mean that we personally simply can't help that
person, for one reason or another. We can't carry the world on our
shoulders, and heroic efforts are rarely required. If we can do our
best to love everyone without excluding anyone for reasons of
conditioned dislike or other negative emotions, then we practice
unconditional love.

aloha, terry

MICHAEL JOHNSON:
Hi Terry:

Aren't we still putting conditions on love:

"If we love everyone and give all we can reasonably give to everyone
who approaches us, then we are practicing unconditional love."

Conditions:

I must love everyone.

I must give all I can reasonably give to everyone who approaches me.

I must do my best to love everyone without excluding anyone.

I still say un-conditional love is "not" attainable by a "conditioned"
human.

What you describe is a "higher" way to love, but it is not
unconditional love.

Thanks for your response.

Michael

JAN BARENDRECHT
Of course - unconditional love (UL) can't be practiced - it is another
term for "who/what you are". Hence, whatever practice, when
conditioning drops, UL will seemingly shine brighter. Perceptible for
both practitioner and "the other". So being thoroughly aware of one's
responses when faced with "the other" gives a very good "clue" as to
"progress". And "progress" concerns what could be termed, the
dissolution of "veiling property" seemingly formed by the mind-body.


MICHAEL JOHNSON:

The key is for conditioning to drop.

Last year I had a terrible green fungus in my pool. The pool guy put
something in the pool called, "Drop IT", it caused all the green gook
to drop to the bottom and the water was crystal clear.

Now, to come up with such a formula for humans to drop all the eons of
conditioning as easily.

As you say, being thoroughly aware of one's responses when faced with
"the other".

A Course In Miracles says that we are never angry or afraid for the
reasons we think we are.

I appreciate your insight.


JAN BARENDRECHT:
That would depend on "what's cooking under the surface". In my case, I
would get angry when observing someone accumulate conditioning despite
being knowledgeable and intelligent enough to understand.

But in general, the issue is the fundamental impossibility to handle
perceived irrational thinking and behavior. And the cause of that
irrationality is conditioning - a kind of "mental immobilizer".
Unfortunately, conditioning isn't equally distributed among humans -
hence the major part of life-energy goes up in handling irrationality.

Regarding fear, I have none but the last fear was being "thrown" into
nirvikalpa samadhi while in the company of people who wouldn't
understand. A sensation like having to leave your apartment with all
doors and windows wide open.

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Question: I have heard it said that we are spiritual beings having a
human experience, but if we were spiritual beings having a human
experience, wouldn't we know it?

Answer: Think about what you have asked for a moment. We do know it. We
realize it almost every day through our dissatisfaction with our human
experience. All of us long for what is Eternal. The human experience is
an exercise in saying good-bye. (The Seeker's Complete Field Guide to
Self-Freedom, to be released Winter of 2001)

--Guy Finley

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GRACIE

An Elder among my people is one who is very old, who has seen much and
has gained great wisdom from what has been seen and experienced. I am
only 35, so i am not old enough to be considered as Elder here. I do
take time to listen and learn from them if they have something they
wish me to know, as we all should do with the elderly. To place them in
a home and forget them is foolish and cruel. They have so much
knowledge and they have cared for us when we could not do so for
ourselves, so when its time that they cant always care for themselves
properly, it is then time to give back the gift we borrowed and care
for them. I dont expect I will be here long enough to reach the age
usually expected of an Elder due to health concerns, and this is of no
real consequence. Given the expected condition of my body as i age, i
dont think i have a desire to reach such an age. It is only important
to me to do all that i can, while i still can, to be of use to them.
Leave something for them that will make things better for them all if
possible. Its very simple really, when i go to sleep each night i am
unsure what i will find when i awake. So when i wake to find that i am
still viable for another day, then i should be pleased that i have
another opportunity to do something nice for someone else. What i need
i have, what more could i ask?

...

Dear Melody, I am honored that you find anything of value in my words,
and humbled that you would take time to respnd to them. It is sometimes
difficult to know what is the right thing to say or do, and we each
grow into what we are--shaped by the experiences of our own lives. I
have been raised somewhat differently from what is considered the norm
i would guess, and i am "conditioned", as so many like to say here,
with some validity, to be caring and concerned for my loved ones. I
desire to cause no pain. it is difficult for me to watch some one in
pain and do nothing, even when there is little i can really do for
them. I hope no one will be offended by what i am about to relay to
you, this may not be the proper place in the eyes of some for it, so i
appologise in advance if it hurts or offends. I said previously that my
mother died when i was 10, what i didnt say is that she lingered in our
home on a machine for 5 years. When i was 5 they took both her kidneys
and no one that was tested matched. I look like her, am very similar so
i offer one of mine. It was explained with a laugh that mine was a
"baby" and she needed a "grown up " one. In my mind this translated as
"you are not good enough". I had my part to do in the running of the
machine, and when the buzzers went off Everybody ran to their places,
to do their jobs, knowing that if we were too slow she would be lost. I
did all i could for her though it was not enough, and we were close.
She was always sad that i couldnt remember when she wasnt sick, and was
very self concious of the needle marks and surgical scars that she had.
She was 32 when she died, and appeared to be at least 70. I was
selffish and was angry when she left me because I was not ready. I
would have had her stay with me in so much pain because i wanted her,
and that was wrong. I have tried to learn from these things not to be
so selffish, and above all, not to bring pain to another because i saw
so much myself that i could not ease or help. Love Gracie

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MELISSA SINGLER

Good Morning List:

I am new to this forum, though I have been reading your posts for some
days now. As a means if introduction let me assure you that I know
nothing, am nobody, and have no idea exactly how or why I happened upon
this site except that it seems to be a natural unfolding of things
occuring in my life at the moment. I accept that and am grateful that I
am still here for the unfolding. I am humbled by the insight and
intelligence of those who post here and though I doubt that I will have
anything worthy of sharing on a regular basis I hope to contribute when
I can. Not being enligtened or even pretending, I wish to share a dream
with you...it doesn't mean anything and there was no astounding ahhhh
upon awakening. It was just a dream:

Walking towards the ocean on any given night,
drawn towards a form that was pain and suffering,
choosing at the last moment to not turn that way,
instead I kept walking.
Into the water first my toes,
dissolving into the water...no pain.
Moving a form that was my body deeper into the depths,
limbs dissolving painlessly and beautifully into the ocean.
Now there is just a head and in it one thought:
If I continue I will drown...then a revelation...
You are not breathing anyway...just a head left.
and so it too dissolved.
Then just a consciousness moving with the waves,
being a wave,
being spray and mist,
being sand and shell,
being the ocean.
Knowing that is all there is.

Not sure why I wanted to share this except that it is probably the
most enlightened I have ever been or will be.

Peace,
Melissa

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JERRY KATZ (speaking about the standard to be observed on nds list)

baseline standard says no personal attacks, speak in the nondual
context and from the nondual perspective that one has come to know.
There are certainly cracks in that standard, and they allow interesting
and sometimes controversial communications to come through. I'm not
fanatic about the cracks.

MARK OTTER

your comments about cracks in the baseline standard reminded me of this
Leonard Cohen lyric...

Ring the bells that still can ring
forget your perfect offering,
There is a crack in everything,
That's how the light gets in.

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