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Sunday, April 22


JOHN METZGER

Interesting Wilber Chapter:
http://www.well.com/user/phils/essays/kwilber.htm

It was also installed at http://www.nonduality.com/whatis5.htm, where
it might be easier to read.

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JAN BARENDRECHT
SOUND (OF ONE HAND CLAPPING) BITES

Fear being the "default" - no questions required.
Responsiveness will "speak out".
Apart from that, who cares?

...


http://www.geocities.com/brianperkins77/index9.htm

Thanks for the link Jerry... The term "empty body" certainly rings a
bell - the equivalent of "transformation/transfiguration". Regarding
this one, without "empty body" part I (transformation), mere "empty
mind" would be considered "worthless" - because mind and body are one
and without "empty body", the "trash can" will fill up again -
something to be observed easily.

...

All the world's a stage and men and women merely players.

andrew

What a pity so few are playing salsa, merengue, coladeira and funana :)

Jan

...

any idea why always the phrase is coined: "Silence in the midst of
intense activity" instead of "intense activity 'in' Silence" ?:)

...

Some just love roots so much that they grow them from one seed :)
Roots like
spouse
children
status
friends
job
etc. etc. etc.

But who cares?:)

<laugh>

...

When a stone falls out of the sky
Right on the head
And it is painful...
Who could be blamed for it?

1. God
2. karma
3. aliens
4. myself
5. my parents
6. goblins
7. nobody
(pick what is appropriate)

But when seeing a man throwing that stone
That makes all the difference ;-)

Joy, laughter and humor,
Jan

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JAMES TRAVERSE

Hello EveryOne,

The one who sees inaction in action, and action in inaction, is a wise
person. Such a person is a yogi and has accomplished everything.

Bhagavad Gita 4.18

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Being Stillness- welcome all movement, the solution unfolds from the
situation itself.

Love to All, James

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JERRY

Michael,

i was on tony parson's website right before reading your post. Small
world! Here's a quote from an interview with him in the current
Noumenon Journal:

"Trying to change your way of life is another barrier. Liberation is
simply sitting in what is, without any idea of becoming anyone or
changing anything. It is just what is. Isn't that amazing? And
somewhere we know this, somewhere inside we recognize this: this is It!
Liberation is not something to be found somewhere, or something to be
obtained in some imagined future."

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GRACIE

as the sun dances lightly across the face of mother earth, he kisses
the restful repose from the eyes of all who await His presence. The
flower lifts up her face to accept the promise of life, the animals
feel the warmth of the sun on their bodies and accept His gentle
carress. and the form that was me, is me, and yet is not is also pulled
softly from slumber to see the magnificence of His canvas as the sun
paints the sky with morning color, dancing gently across my eyes,
leaving both awe and wonder that again "I" have been allowed to witness
such beauty.

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Thank you Gracie, for this beautiful reminder of how simple it is to
witness beauty, and appreciate it too.
Mira

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MICHAEL JOHNSON


According to Mahatma Gandhi, the sannyasa of The Gita will not tolerate
complete cessation of all activity. Gandhi strongly believed in the
doctrine of renunciation, but also held that it should be sought "in
and through action." For him, action is the sine qua non of life in the
body.(5) The Gita says that no one can abstain from action even for a
moment (3:5, 33). It is neither possible nor desirable for living
beings to renounce all actions. Therefore acts of sacrifice, gifts,
austerity, and other duties must be performed in all circumstances
(18:5-6). Such works are essential for purifying even a wise person and
for maintaining him or her in a state of purity.

http://www.spiritualitytoday.org/spir2day/873941veliyathil.html?clkd=iwm

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So what about free will?"

"There's no question of there being free will simply because there's
no-one there in the first place who can have a will or make a choice.
Ask yourself where do thoughts come from and if you watch for some time
you'll see that they're not yours. They emerge, seemingly from nowhere,
and rise up, have their time, and then recede to nothing. Their origin
is not of your making."

"So I might as well sit here and do nothing."

"But in a way that's another apparent choice. You can't help breathing,
and you won't be able to do anything about getting up and walking out
of this room. Everything is simply happening through you. There's
tremendous relief when this realisation is embraced ... all guilt falls
away, there're no longer any regrets and it is seen that you have been
brought to sit here and hear this. All struggle can drop away, and the
effort to make one's life work suddenly loses its attraction. To relax
and let life flow through is the opening to another possibility."

"But how do I pay the mortgage?"

"It need not be a problem. The way in which the body mind functions
simply continues. Nothing apparently changes but everything is
transformed. In spontaneous creativity without fear can come a deep
harmony with what's happening. But this always has to be a secondary
consideration and is never guaranteed."

http://www.theopensecret.com/asitis.htm

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The world, as we know it, would not exist
without the dualities of good and bad,
happy and sad, love and anger, etc.
As long I think I am real,
I will continue to spin
on the karmic wheel.

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Where does "passion" fit in with the
idea of nonduality?

When I first started reading about
nonduality I pictured sitting around
like a blob, looking at my non-existent
belly button or some such nonsense.

Boy was I way off base!

Just the opposite has been my experience.

I have felt devasting fear and exuberant joy.

And during and after all of these feelings,
I realized that they were all just thoughts,
pure imagination, no less than the feelings
I get when watching a movie or reading a book.

What has been your experience?

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DAN BERKOW

The perceiver arises with
the perception, the reader
with the reading.

The meaning of the words,
and the reader, are the same.

No meaning cherished,
and where did the reader go?

What kind of experience is
this now?

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OMKARA

As seen here, if mind and body are one, then 'transformation' of
mind 'is' transformation of body -- the key is 'transformation',
whether looked at from 'mind perspective', 'body perspective'
or 'both' (or neither, not even noticed).

It seems all a matter of perspective. Such transformation could
appear as 'Kundalini' or it could appear as 'radical outlook change' -
- with no doer, who says how transformation will "appear?"

Thus the differing outlooks, and endless arguments between the
sages... it can be observed some seem to come to understanding
through 'Kundalini' (U.G. Krishnamurti), whether in the other cases
(various Zen Roshis, Maharshi, Nisargadatta, Shankara, et al.)
Kundalini happened 'in the background' and was not noticed is
speculation only.

In 'my case' there is no more duality about it, and no more
argument. Kundalini or 'radical outlook change' is the same thing,
even the idea of deconditioning "taking time" is appearance only and
is illusory. Body/mind as unit (and neither really
existing 'substantially' at all), what's the difference?

...

Nisargadatta Maharaj puts it this way --

"In that state you will be beyond any needs and wants; you will have no
use for anything. No desires will be left, because they are all
fulfilled."

'As seen here', this is freedom. It doesn't mean activity doesn't take
place, but there is no momentum of seeking, striving and always wanting
more and more. The "momentum of desire" is over... individual desires
for things don't arise, because the 'emptiness' you mention is also
"fulfillment."

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TIM GERCHMEZ AND GENE POOLE

Dear Jerry & List,

Enough people mention (or have mentioned) breaking wind, passing gas,
farting and such in messages related to nonduality, that it may be time
to add a new "context" to the collection -- "Nonduality and farting."
What do you think Jerry? This seems to becoming a common paradigm --
add it to "snake and rope," "the movie theater," "the salt doll and
ocean," and all those ones ;-).

Namaste,

Tim

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"There is only but one"...

Reminds me of a story which I cannot now recall clearly, of a famous
Zen master, who cut a major big one during group Zazen. This event
ramified for months, in the Zendo. Apparently, it actually
accelerated the path of several of the resident students. (The 'stink
of Zen'?)

For your special interest...

Even great scientists do it:

<http://www.med.nus.edu.sg/phar/news/ignobel.htm>

Lierature abounds:

<http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1854794450/r/026-1154654-6450050>

Zen Haiku:

<http://www.grumpydog.com/fartingfrog.html>


Not to mention, that it is known that several primitive tribes
prohibited farting, on the basis that it was the very soul itself,
which was being vented to the atmosphere, thus to be lost or worse,
to be inhaled by demonic entities.

In passing,

Gene Poole

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DOC HOBBES

What is consciousness?

Who wrote this?

...

The world is no longer a stage if all its citizens would stop acting
like they 'give a shit' and take one 'for a change'?

Then choose... but know this... I am already 'theWay'.

...

...sneaky.... but lacks the necessary stealth...

YOU ARE THE WEAKEST LINK

BI BI.

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