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Monday October 30th


Hi Jerry,

I too feel there is effortless movement afoot.

In me is a moving of evolutionary momentum
through stillness into the unknown. The feeling
is a mix of aliveness and joy.

Let the light shine on your teacherless list,
and may I someday earn my place on it.

Ed
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Re: The List of People Who Don't Want to be on the List

Ed, Jerry,

Whoever posted that, it's hilarious!

Here is a burning question. Do those selected for the list of those who
don't want to be on the nondual teachers list have to be authorized by
someone *already* on the list of those who don't want to be on the list?
We don't want any pop-ups or phoneys on this smaller, more exlusive list.
Other than authorization by one already recognized as being on the list,
how can the average web-surfer recognize those who *truly* belong there?

--Greg
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Hi Greg and Ed,

As crazy as it sounds, it is a real list. However, I don't decide who
goes on it. The people on it have requested -- directly or, in the case
of Mikaire, indirectly -- that they be taken off the list of
realizers/confessors. All I have to do is determine whether their
request is genuine. There has to be some history to their request.

I'm now putting together a list of people whose fathers took Spanish in
high school. But I'm getting smart. There will also be the parallel
'people who don't want to be on the list of people whose fathers took
Spanish in high school.'

Hey Greg, you sound as clearly as though you are in New York!

Love,

Jerry
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Subject: the great nonlist



only one started it
only one wanted on
only one was rejected
only one didn't care
only one was accepted
only one wanted off
only one ended it

so WHO is on the great nonlist?

only one is
only one is not

with deep love to one and all,
cee
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Hi all,

One of the most clear and straightforward explanations of enlightenment
and liberation can be found at:

http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada/1000nit.htm


It is so good that I printed it out for use in contemplation.

Love,

Victor
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As far as I know everyone without exception, including the so called
enlightened ones, experiences sickness, old age and death. These are
true sufferings. As far as I know it is not necessary to build on
these true sufferings with false psychological sufferings. Woe is
me. Why me Lord? I'm a piece of dog shit. etc. ...
.
Why wear a hair shirt?

To each his own said the old lady as she kissed the cow.
.
Regards,
.
Victor
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Hello to all at NDS list,

My name is Gary, I'm from Cornwall in England. This is my first posting to
the list and I hope I might make a worthwhile contribution from time to
time. The list seems to be of a high quality and not without love and
humour! Apologies in advance if I'm going over old ground or opening old
cans of worms.

I was considering today what it was about my thought process that had been
causing me a problem and hindering my peace of mind. Why was it that peace
of mind was no longer an immediate reality? How could it have been lost? Why
couldn't I regain it? Well, I pondered that it was the nature of thought to
turn everything into an ideal and to make a difference between what is and
what should be, which is to say how I am and how I should be. Thought was
making an idea which was an ideal . Dichotomy and conflict were continually
setting in. A spoken or implicit 'should' was following me around like a
cloud.

So what to do about it? As it was thought that was continually bringing
unease into being there was nothing I could do about it! Aha! I remembered
what UG has said about him realising that he only had one tool with which to
use to solve the problem of 'enlightenment' and that tool was the mind (or
thought) and that he realised it couldn't do it. Yes exactly.

Giving up again all hope of peace, enlightenment etc, etc, the whole
dualistic pantheon I am again regaining my place, my home in the world and
its OK its OK. Maybe someone else will come along and tell me different,
tell me I should be enlightened, I should be better, for my own good. They
might be right I don't know but earlier my life was should(ering) along in
malfunction mode, but now its relatively friction free - no grit in oil.

Looking up the word 'should' in the dictionary I see that its the past tense
of 'shall', and that 'shall' originally expressed a debt or moral
obligation. Love and freedom didn't figure, more like good business and
security. Morality seems to have developed as a group tribal phenomenon to
where we are today with mass nationalistic and religious groups ( I was born
into several ugh), (I thought it a good idea to join new ones, double ugh!).
So now the challenge is to stand alone, no judge, no should, - - call the
side effect of this Trust or Faith.

Hope you enjoyed todays confession :))

with love from

Gary (no longer carrying the weight of the world on his should(ers))
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>MATTHEW:
wrestling enlightenment is like trying to grab hold of
mercury from a thermometer. You grab it and try to hold it in your
hand and the tighter you try to hold it the quicker it escapes
without you knowing it so you open your hand believing it has given
up and it is gone. haha, the jokes on you. >

Xan:
~ A little provoked, she drew back, and after
looking everywhere for the Queen (whom she
spied out at last, a long way off), she thought
she would try the plan, this time, of walking in
the opposite direction. It succeeded beautifully.

from Through the Looking Glass and What Alice Found There
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~ My offering of unwanted advice, sky, is: when all these pains and
pleasures arise, apply the infamous "So What" technique.
Try it... it is free
Xan

Sky:
But I love my feelings, both of pleasure and of pain. Besides,
"so what" is also a feeling.

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poem by charles bukowski

roll the dice

if you're going to try, go all the
way.
otherwise, don't even start.

if you're going to try, go all the
way.
this could mean losing girlfriends,
wives, relatives, jobs and
maybe your mind.

go all the way.
it could mean not eating for 3 or
4 days.
it could mean freezing on a
park bench.
it could mean jail,
it could mean derision,
mockery,
isolation.
isolation is the gift,
all the others are a test of your
endurance, of
how much you really want to
do it.
and you'll do it
despite rejection and the
worst odds
and it will be better than anything else
you can imagine.

if you're going to try,
go all the way.
there is no other feeling like
that.
you will be alone with the
gods.
and the nights will flame with
fire.

do it, do it, do it,
do it

all the way
all the way.

you will ride life straight to
perfect laughter, it's
the only good fight
there is.

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good night friends,
cee

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