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Tuesday, August 15


dear friends,

one thing is clear.

each and every person with a fervent desire for realization
will awaken.

there seems to be almost more teachers than students these
days!

weather one is choosing a teacher or finely discerning
between pure being itself and the "i" thought, now, as in
ancient times,

a keen discrimination is key for complete absolute
liberation.

teachers appear as needed, teachers disappear.

a disciple asked a guru once, "will there be a time when
the guru is unnecessary?" the guru replied with love in
his/her eyes,

"there will be a time when the disciple is unnecessary!"

love, cee

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Ale and I went to Santiago, to see her cousin Carola off,
who's going to the US for two years with her husband who is
doing his MBA. We were at their house and also Ales Aunt
was there. The Aunt has gotten into a mix of spiritual
things, and so we started talking about consciousness. The
conversation went on for a bit more than an hour. Man I'm
so surprised at what I hear myself saying to people, not
just people like them, who may be a little more connected,
but regular people.

From time to time, before, maybe a couple of years ago, I'd
try to get something going, but everybody just seemed to
look at me funny. I think it was because I used to get into
it like sex without foreplay. Being here has help quite a
bit in seeing so many combinations and permutations, at
seeing how to connect more clearly. Now I get into
conversations and the next thing I know, an hour has passed
and everybody is bristling with energy. (Nothing to do with
me, just, I hadn't realized how much people really connect
to some part of this, how it can be a thing that they
really understand, or want to understand.) It's just so
cool to be in conversations like those. Eyes seem to
sparkle, everbody's got a story to tell. And the good thing
about Nonduality, is that in any topic there can be found a
valid starting point. Obviously too, some are not ready,
and that's all there is to it.

On the way home, about a 120 Km (80 miles), there was a
full moon. Ale and I were talking, about "being" and
consciousness, she was at the doorway.. playing with how it
could be that one "becomes" how their "soul" forms and how
all "THIS" could be. She was saying words like "weird" and
"strange", and "incredible". Geez, I was outside the car
about 3 meters up, then I WAS the car, then the car was
floating, then her and I were one, the world was hardly
never more a dream than that moment. I could plainly see
the other side, I mean the projector screen was down, with
the little pull-down handle and I could almost hear the
projector purring away. WOW!

But then she said that she just wasn't ready yet. I said
"try just a couple of seconds!" "No", she said, "if I take
just a couple of seconds, I'd go over and I'm not ready
yet", "OK", I said, and just super content for the
progress. I mean she knows... she's got it, she's just got
to let go, and she'll do it, I know. That's what was so
cool. When she's ready, she's gonna' blast through, and I'd
better watch out. She's got a ton of power in her.

Then we talked a little about how life is like a lucid
dream; in a lucid dream you can do what you want. In life,
when you synchronize with "the intent" of being, what you
want and need is there. (It's usually more than you
expect!)

Pretty good day, all in all. And the good thing is, the
days are all just blending together, and what's needed IS
here!

Dave (Manchine)

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All human beings are hypnotized and this is not a theory
but a proveable Fact! --Bertram

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sure, okay. isn't that really a "given" for this group...
that's the starting point. we're puttering around in maya.

further...

"hypnotized" has a negative connotation. so aren't you
mistakenly condeming this holy state of maya? "maya -is-
nirvana" -- written on bathroom wall in nebraska.

it seems more interesting/challenging to figure out the
correct function of this hypnotized state.

--Jason Pelley

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Saying that you are already One with the Universe isn't
being direct? What do you want?

Telling you that what looks out of your eyes right now is
God isn't interesting? What do you want?

How more direct can I be? What do you want me to say?

People! Sheesh!

HAHAHAH and HOHOHO!

Peace - Michael

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Direct perception is not difficult but writing from direct
perception is. That's why most people aren't poets. Poets
are in the business of direct perception (most of them,
anyway). It is extremely invigorating to take a walk and
just focus on awareness. For example, I just went for a
quick walk after lunch. I walked out towards the little
park that is by the harbor. I felt the warm sunshine and
fresh air on my skin. The blue of the sky and the
contrasting blue of the water filled my eyes. My lungs
filled with outside air and I noticed how good it feels to
breathe. But immediately meaning began to creep in, because
I noticed the fluffy white clouds in the sky and I noticed
that the whole scene seemed full of conscious energy and I
thought:

"The clouds are more I than I."

Then as I went to find a park bench to sit on I noticed a
man sitting on a bench reading a book. The man was round
and sleek looking and the book was called "Deep Sea Diver",
and I thought that he must be an amphibian! Equally at home
- no, more at home - in the water as on dry land. And then
I thought that maybe he was a deep sea diver from a higher
dimension, some sort of being who dropped down on that
bench with an invisible cord tethering him to life support
above, wearing a human-looking disguise...

I guess what I am trying to say is that the more you engage
in direct perception the more meanings and metaphors and
silly thoughts proliferate. But they aren't thoughts
"about", they are thoughts arising "from".

Now I am back at my desk. How did I get here? When did I
stop focusing on awareness? I stopped when I started
thinking about writing this...so it goes....

--David Hodges

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I am such an analytical person. I earned my living putting
together business plans and creating spreadsheets. The day
I got my first glimpse of 'thinking about' as different
than directly perceiving was, how to say it, profound. I
directly perceived myself 'thinking about' something. A
momentary perception, a sideways glance. To be able to
identify a thought, an emotion, a sensation as separate and
distinct functions is very interesting. I thought that
thinking about was self-observing. I think this is a common
trap for the thinking types.

--Marcia Paul

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For every open teaching there is its secret component. Who
hasn't had the experience of reading the same simple
passage every few months or years and extracting new
meaning each time?

A flower unfolds. Through its center is seen its unopened
portion. Existence is a constant unfolding and the
revelation of an eternally folded aspect.

Our old friend Lobster said:

"Beyond you is Another
In you is Another
for you are an allusion
to Another
beyond the thought of you
Another "

The unfolding is never ending, leading from transformation
to transformation.

Nondualism says there is a moment, an Interval, a stopping,
a space, a pause, between the folded and unfolded portion,
and that it may be entered, and once entered it is seen to
be everything, and many other things could be said about
it. Humorously, it is its own flower holding its own
Interval between the unfolded and the folded.

How can one be anything but a Searcher? A seeker? --Jerry

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There is a really interesting web site at:

http://faculty.virginia.edu/consciousness/

Stanley Sobottka, Emeritus Professor of Physics at the
University of Virginia, Charlottesville, Virginia has a
wonderful site where he presents "A Course in
Consciousness".

This course consists of three parts: Part One - Quantum
theory and consciousness, Part Two - The metaphsics of
nonduality, and Part three - The end of suffering and the
discovery of our true nature.

He's a fan of Sri Ramana Maharshi, Nisargadatta Maharaj,
Ramesh Balsekar, and others.

He will even answer questions posed to him via email.

You might care to have a look.

--Victor Torrico

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NISARGADATTA SPEAKS contributed by Gloria Lee

The "M" in the dialogue is Nisargadatta

Q: Have you no problems?

M: I do have problems. I told you already. To be, to exist
with a name and form is painful, yet I love it.

Q: But you love everything!

M: In existence everything is contained. My very nature is
to love; even the painful is lovable.

Q: It does not make it less painful. Why not remain in the
unlimited?

M: It is the instinct of exploration, the love of the
unknown, that brings me into existence. It is in the nature
of being to see adventure in becoming, as it is in the very
nature of becoming to seek peace in being. This alteration
of being and becoming is inevitable: but my home is beyond.

Q: Is your home in God?

M: To love and worship a god is also ignorance. My home is
beyond all notions, however sublime.

Q: But God is not a notion! It is the reality beyond
existence.

M: You may use any word you like. Whatever you may think
of, I am beyond it.

Q: Once you know your home, why not stay in it? What takes
you out of it?

M: Out of love for corporate existence one is born and once
born, one gets involved in destiny. Destiny is inseparable
from becoming. The desire to be the particular makes you
into a person with all its personal past and future. Look
at some great man, what a wonderful man he was! And yet how
troubled was his life and limited it fruits. How utterly
dependent is the personality of man and how indifferent is
its world. And yet we love it and protect it for its very
insignificance.

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Q: Is there not a state of absolute perfection which does
not decay?

M: Whatever has a beginning must have an end. In the
timeless all is perfect, here and now.

Q: But shall we reach the timeless in due course?

M: In due course we shall come back to the starting point.
Time cannot take us out of time, as space cannot take us
out of space. All you get by waiting is more waiting.
Absolute perfection is here and now, not in some future,
near or far. The secret is in action - here and now. It is
your behavior that blinds you to yourself. Disregard
whatever you think yourself to be and act as if you were
absolutely perfect - whatever your idea of perfection may
be. All you need is courage.

Q: Where do I find such courage?

M: In yourself, of course. Look within.

Q: Your grace will help.

M: My grace is telling you now: look within. All you need
you have. Use it. Behave as best you know, do what you
think you should. Don't be afraid of mistakes; you can
always correct them, only intentions matter. The shape
things take is not within your power; the motives of your
actions are.

Q: How can action born from imperfection lead to
perfection?

M: Action does not lead to perfection; perfection is
expressed in action. As long as you judge yourself by your
expressions, give them utmost attention; when you realize
your own being, your behavior will be perfect -
spontaneously.

Q: If I am timelessly perfect, then why was I born at all?
What is the purpose of this life?

M:It is like asking: what does it profit gold to be made
into an ornament? The ornament gets the color and the
beauty of gold; gold is not enriched. Similarly, reality
expressed in action makes the action meaningful and
beautiful.

Q: What does the real gain through its expressions?

M: What can it gain? Nothing whatsoever. But it is in the
nature of love to express itself, to affirm itself, to
overcome difficulties. Once you have understood that the
world is love in action, you will look at it quite
differently. But first your attitude to suffering must
change. Suffering is primarily a call for attention, which
itself is a movement of love. More than happiness, love
wants growth, the widening and deepening of consciousness
and being. Whatever prevents becomes a cause of pain and
love does not shirk from pain.

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FROM THE SUBLIME TO THE RIDICULOUS!

There is one thing I have never been able to understand.
Why men who are bald cover their heads with hair grown long
at the back and brushed forward. Bald heads can be quite
sexy and attractive, but heads covered in that way just
look ridiculous to me.

I have been reading 'Freedom from the Known' by J.
Krishnamurti, and on the cover is a picture of him where he
has done just this. Now, if he is free, why does he need to
do that? Why not just show off his naked head in all of its
splendour?

I'm sorry if this is really frivolous, but it just seemed
really incongruous to me.

--gill

Allspirit Website: http://www.allspirit.co.uk

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That's a great question!!! Secret of the ages! If anyone
knows the answer, please forward it to me!

--Greg

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My story is, you know how people who suffer anorexia are
stuck with an image that they need to lose weight even
though they don't? Pardon my taking humorous advantage of a
serious disease, but I always felt I was scalporexic. I'm
stuck with the image that I have a lot of hair, but people
tell me I don't. Hey, I think I do! --Jerry

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It's no secret at all, Gregji. At some time before his
passing, Mr. Jiddu Krishnamurti had obviously managed to
get over his personal passion for one Ms. Gillian Eardley,
and therefore felt free to adopt a grooming mode contrary
to Ms. Eardley's stated preference for bald pates, as valid
and well- reasoned as that preference may well be. Perhaps
now we can move on to the issue of guru hygiene -- for
example, did the chain-smoking Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
take measures to cleanse his breath? Did Sri Ramana
Maharshi wash his dhoti frequently enough? Enquiring minds
want to know! --Bruce Morgen

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Krishnamurthi was also fond of murder mysteries. Rajneesh
used to dye his hair black until someone told him that
westerners associated grey hair with wisdom, so he stopped
dying.

Perhaps Krishnamurthi let someone else make those types of
decisions for him, and that person had a thing about
baldness.

All the photos I've seen though, K was gorgeous, put
together. Perhaps he was terribly vain! Sages have their
foibles too. Nisargadatta Maharaj was a functionally
illiterate potty mouthed chain smoker with no teeth who sat
on a tiger pelt to give his talks - one of the great sages
of this or any century!

--Daniel Heller

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