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uarelove posted:

17. "While God sustains the burden of the World,

the spurious Ego assumes its burden

grimacing like an image on a tower

seeming to support it.

If the traveller in a carriage

which can support any weight

does not lay his luggage down

but carries it painfully on his head,

whose is the fault?"


39. "Keep advaita within the heart.

Do not ever carry it into action.

Even if you apply it to all the three worlds,

O son, it is not to be applied to the Guru"

--From the supplement to the forty Verses

by Ramana Maharshi

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Compassion, yes. From a distance it might seem to some that
stark coolness is very much what reality is and therefore
it's proper to behave that way. But, again, how can reality
have qualities? We are free to be. Cool or warm. We are free
to be. No one can tell me how to be. Our gathering might be
called a celebration of I AM. See you there, Michael.

Love,
Jerry

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I wanted to share with you a poem of Rumi. Perhaps it tells the story of his
life (and ours as well).

Love to all
Harsha


I WAS READY TO TELL
the story of my life
but the ripple of tears
and the agony of my heart
wouldn't let me

i began to stutter
saying a word here and there
and all along i felt
as tender as a crystal
ready to be shattered

in this stormy sea
we call life
all the big ships
come apart
board by board

how can i survive
riding a lonely
little boat
with no oars
and no arms

my boat did finally break
by the waves
and i broke free
as i tied myself
to a single board

though the panic is gone
i am now offended
why should i be so helpless
rising with one wave
and falling with the next

i don't know
if i am
nonexistence
while i exist
but i know for sure
when i am
i am not
but
when i am not
then i am

now how can i be
a skeptic
about the
resurrection and
coming to life again

since in this world
i have many times
like my own imagination
died and
been born again

that is why
after a long agonizing life
as a hunter
i finally let go and got
hunted down and became free

~Rumi, ghazal number 1419,
translated April 17, 1991,
by Nader Khalili

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Ed Arrons:

Typically the self vacillates between objective duality
and subjective nonduality according to the degree of
separation experienced. Within the swings is noticed
different points of identity according to conditioned
experience. At the very 'center' is a point of non-
identification, a 'transcendence point', which is the
key to Selfhood.

E.

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Gloria Lee:


Hi guys, I looked up some references to effort in Talks with Ramana and would
like to
share a few quotes from there. Just saying effort or no effort is an inadequate
description without regard to circumstances applicable to that effort or
non-effort.

"One's efforts are directed only to remove one's ignorance. Afterwards they
cease,
and the real Self is found to be always there. No effort is needed to remain as
the
Self."

"There is no fruit without previous karma; no karma without previous sankalpa
(intentions). Even mukti (liberation, spiritual freedom) must be the result of
effort
so long as the sense of doership persists."
~~~~~
D: Master, being asked 'Who?', I know that it is ignorant me, composed of the
senses,
mind, and body. I tried this enquiry 'Who?' after reading Paul Brunton's book.
Three
or four times I was feeling elated and the elation lasted sometime and faded
away.
How to be established in 'I'? Please give me the clue and help me.

M: That which appears anew must also disappear in due course.

D: Please tell me the method of reaching the eternal Truth.

M: You are That. Can you ever remain apart from the Self? To be yourself
requires no
effort since you are always That.
~~~~~~~
D: Is then hearing the Truth meant only for a limited few?

M: It is of two kinds. The ordinary one is to hear it enunciated and explained
by a
master. However, the right one is to raise the question for oneself and seek
and find
the answer in oneself as the unbroken 'I - I'.
~~~

"You and I are the same. What I have done is surely possible for all. You are
the
Self now and can never be anything else. Throw your worries to the wind, turn
within
and find Peace."

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Dave manchine:


I was wondering the other day, how many people in the world
there are that have had direct conscious experience of "I AM".

I remember you mentioning once before, that very many can go
back in childhood and remember when they asked a question
similar to 'Who am I?' and it made me think. I thought of
various times "before" the moment that I had seen "I AM",
and many after; most without the same level of significance,
you could say "normal" thoughts. But it lead me to another
thought.

I had always found it so difficult to explain the feeling,
and had been so surprised that it was so difficult to
bring others to see it, until I realized that you were
absolutely right. Many if not all people have had a brush
with "I AM". Most, perhaps not consciously, but when I lost
the capacity to "call it up" myself for a time, I knew what
was going on.

The mind knows what it means to come face to face with "I AM".
It's about "death", the most obvious is the iminence of the
physical death, and the most fear provoking is the "right darnewll
now" possibility of the death of "me". I began investigating and I
noticed that many have come close, realized that they don't
want to go there, and shut it out.

I was with a small group this weekend, explaining the concept of
nonduality, I talked a little first about "I AM", they are familiar
with the concept, and very close to experiencing it. "Self" was there,
with a wide stance :-) his arms on his hips. Some also call it
the Eagle. There was a vacuum that only the void can generate.
Many of us here know it. A voice said, "you don't exist
like you think you do". One smiled nervously, until he saw the dead
serious look on my face. "Oh shit!" he said, as he continued
mumbling for a minute about not being there. "That's all I need"
he said, finally giving his head a shake and joining everyone
else again at the table.

I AM for moments like those, and will be forever more. I wanted to
say here, anyone blessed with direct experience must act, it is not
theirs to keep. The process of sharing this gift is the guru and
the garbage man. If you are in IT you get looked after. Big names
aren't important, nor is importance an issue. Action is the key,
what else is there?

And by the way, thank you for this list Jerry. You can take out
my garbage any day! (and often do:-)

daveHarsha:

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uarelove posted:

17. "While God sustains the burden of the World,

the spurious Ego assumes its burden

grimacing like an image on a tower

seeming to support it.

If the traveller in a carriage

which can support any weight

does not lay his luggage down

but carries it painfully on his head,

whose is the fault?"


39. "Keep advaita within the heart.

Do not ever carry it into action.

Even if you apply it to all the three worlds,

O son, it is not to be applied to the Guru"

--From the supplement to the forty Verses

by Ramana Maharshi

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Compassion, yes. From a distance it might seem to some that
stark coolness is very much what reality is and therefore
it's proper to behave that way. But, again, how can reality
have qualities? We are free to be. Cool or warm. We are free
to be. No one can tell me how to be. Our gathering might be
called a celebration of I AM. See you there, Michael.

Love,
Jerry

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I wanted to share with you a poem of Rumi. Perhaps it tells the story of his
life (and ours as well).

Love to all
Harsha


I WAS READY TO TELL
the story of my life
but the ripple of tears
and the agony of my heart
wouldn't let me

i began to stutter
saying a word here and there
and all along i felt
as tender as a crystal
ready to be shattered

in this stormy sea
we call life
all the big ships
come apart
board by board

how can i survive
riding a lonely
little boat
with no oars
and no arms

my boat did finally break
by the waves
and i broke free
as i tied myself
to a single board

though the panic is gone
i am now offended
why should i be so helpless
rising with one wave
and falling with the next

i don't know
if i am
nonexistence
while i exist
but i know for sure
when i am
i am not
but
when i am not
then i am

now how can i be
a skeptic
about the
resurrection and
coming to life again

since in this world
i have many times
like my own imagination
died and
been born again

that is why
after a long agonizing life
as a hunter
i finally let go and got
hunted down and became free

~Rumi, ghazal number 1419,
translated April 17, 1991,
by Nader Khalili

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Ed Arrons:

Typically the self vacillates between objective duality
and subjective nonduality according to the degree of
separation experienced. Within the swings is noticed
different points of identity according to conditioned
experience. At the very 'center' is a point of non-
identification, a 'transcendence point', which is the
key to Selfhood.

E.

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Gloria Lee:


Hi guys, I looked up some references to effort in Talks with Ramana and would
like to
share a few quotes from there. Just saying effort or no effort is an inadequate
description without regard to circumstances applicable to that effort or
non-effort.

"One's efforts are directed only to remove one's ignorance. Afterwards they
cease,
and the real Self is found to be always there. No effort is needed to remain as
the
Self."

"There is no fruit without previous karma; no karma without previous sankalpa
(intentions). Even mukti (liberation, spiritual freedom) must be the result of
effort
so long as the sense of doership persists."
~~~~~
D: Master, being asked 'Who?', I know that it is ignorant me, composed of the
senses,
mind, and body. I tried this enquiry 'Who?' after reading Paul Brunton's book.
Three
or four times I was feeling elated and the elation lasted sometime and faded
away.
How to be established in 'I'? Please give me the clue and help me.

M: That which appears anew must also disappear in due course.

D: Please tell me the method of reaching the eternal Truth.

M: You are That. Can you ever remain apart from the Self? To be yourself
requires no
effort since you are always That.
~~~~~~~
D: Is then hearing the Truth meant only for a limited few?

M: It is of two kinds. The ordinary one is to hear it enunciated and explained
by a
master. However, the right one is to raise the question for oneself and seek
and find
the answer in oneself as the unbroken 'I - I'.
~~~

"You and I are the same. What I have done is surely possible for all. You are
the
Self now and can never be anything else. Throw your worries to the wind, turn
within
and find Peace."

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Dave manchine:


I was wondering the other day, how many people in the world
there are that have had direct conscious experience of "I AM".

I remember you mentioning once before, that very many can go
back in childhood and remember when they asked a question
similar to 'Who am I?' and it made me think. I thought of
various times "before" the moment that I had seen "I AM",
and many after; most without the same level of significance,
you could say "normal" thoughts. But it lead me to another
thought.

I had always found it so difficult to explain the feeling,
and had been so surprised that it was so difficult to
bring others to see it, until I realized that you were
absolutely right. Many if not all people have had a brush
with "I AM". Most, perhaps not consciously, but when I lost
the capacity to "call it up" myself for a time, I knew what
was going on.

The mind knows what it means to come face to face with "I AM".
It's about "death", the most obvious is the iminence of the
physical death, and the most fear provoking is the "right darnewll
now" possibility of the death of "me". I began investigating and I
noticed that many have come close, realized that they don't
want to go there, and shut it out.

I was with a small group this weekend, explaining the concept of
nonduality, I talked a little first about "I AM", they are familiar
with the concept, and very close to experiencing it. "Self" was there,
with a wide stance :-) his arms on his hips. Some also call it
the Eagle. There was a vacuum that only the void can generate.
Many of us here know it. A voice said, "you don't exist
like you think you do". One smiled nervously, until he saw the dead
serious look on my face. "Oh shit!" he said, as he continued
mumbling for a minute about not being there. "That's all I need"
he said, finally giving his head a shake and joining everyone
else again at the table.

I AM for moments like those, and will be forever more. I wanted to
say here, anyone blessed with direct experience must act, it is not
theirs to keep. The process of sharing this gift is the guru and
the garbage man. If you are in IT you get looked after. Big names
aren't important, nor is importance an issue. Action is the key,
what else is there?

And by the way, thank you for this list Jerry. You can take out
my garbage any day! (and often do:-)

dave

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