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NEO:

Perhaps the answer is right in front
of our eyes, perhaps not. I
believe the eyes and everything they
see to be a mental projection.
The answer is perhaps beyond our eyes.

(and)


Warmth and peace and love are not
lubricants, it is what we are at the
core.

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HANS:

Isn't it a lovely mindgame ? Who are you, Dan, Bruce, Jodi, Marcia, Melody,
Neo, Glo, Phil, Paul etc.
Who am I. You exist only in my imagination. And so do I. If i don't use my
imagination, you simply do not exist. So Who is speaking with Who, Who is
arguing with Who, Who is fighting with Who Who is defending Who is
attacking Who.

I haven't got a clue.

Please enlighten me, i'm in total darkness.

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UMBADA:

A person can get lost in anger or in peace if one is avoided
and the other sought.

(and)

It may be easy for some people to say that nothing needs to
be done, that everything is as it should be, but people need
to be kept busy until that is realized. That's why so many
teachers have developed their own brand of 'work'. Work is
good. All work serves to bring a person to that which is
nondual, unchanging reality.

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Jerry shares some words of SWAMI VEDA:

"In the practice of silence, only truth is spoken.
Speak truth; speak that which is pleasant.
Do not speak unpleasant truth; do not speak pleasant
untruth.
This is the ancient law of silence, that all spoken words
come true when they arise from the depths of silence."

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gen shares:

from The Mantiqu't-Tair of
Faridu d Din'Attar

(translator Fitzgerald)

"All you have been, and seen, and done,
and thought,
Not *You*, but I, have seen and been
and wrought. . .
Pilgrim, Pilgrimage and Road
Was but Myself toward Myself:
And your arrival but Myself
At my own Door. . .
Come, you lost Atoms, to your Centre draw. . .
Rays that have wandered into Darkness wide,
Return, and back into your Sun subside."

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MARK:

could it be that the only problem with negative emotions is when we
identify the source of the negative emotion as someone other than
ourself? The problem then arises that when the negative emotion is
there, we blame the other for providing it.


JAN:
An excellent question. With experiential knowledge on how
identification works, it is quite possible not to respond to
emotions, whether negative or positive. The margin of reason
and intellect is rather narrow; when the margin is exceeded,
reason and intellect are left behind with the familiar
results. What can one do when a post clearly exceeds accepted
limits of behavior? Warn the proper authorities and follow
instructions :) Or when it is clear it concerns a "paper
tiger" post, just ignore :) This requires some self-discipline
and restraint, maybe rare character assets these days...

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ANDREW:

Com passion is shared passion. There can't be real compassion unless there is
real
passion. Real passion is being happy when you're happy, sad when you're sad,
angry
when you're angry. Supressing 'negative' passions is attachment to those
passions.


NEO:
Yes, suppression is attachment and not good at all. I do think it is
also possible to not have any anger or other negative emotions.

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From HANS:


IMO, the question is not what i can do, but if i can just look and do
nothing. If i can't , i am *DUAL* and the name of this game is *NONDUAL*.
At the same time, this can become a big trap. I notice that i am *dual*, so
i want to become *nondual* but this very act is *dual*. So, what can i do ?
Nothing. But i notice that i can not do *nothing*, so i try to find ways to
do *nothing*, but that is *dual* again. So, what can i do. Nothing. And this
can take 1 moment (so they say) or several years (i know). I am still in it.

Your Highness Nothingness

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ANDREW:

Realise that the notion of self and other is false then there's no one to
be angry at.

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CEE:



why converse with apparent others
in a dream world --
when we could be wallowing in (as)
the fathom-less bliss of self?

why have the impossible (non-dual!)
conversation at all?

who
is having it!

it's the salon of the non-conversation
among those that don't exist
and still, joyfully
communicate.

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HENRY:

.......................channelled material is
from our own Highest Self, which is one with the One, which is
nondual in nature.
But as the information is channelled down, or as it comes down the pipeline,
with each change of pipeline, it gets smaller and smaller.
Like at the top, the pipe is infinite, then connected to a pipe of say 10
sillion miles across, which is connected to a smaller pipe, etc down to
pipes of 6 feet, 4 feet---3 inches, 1 inch etc.
So I think that channelled material is filtered through pipes of different
sizes. down to us. We, of course, are also pipes of different sizes which
will respond to a connection which fits us at the present time. End

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SAMUEL:

This Saloon... is like an ongoing play,
with ~courtesy~... the one rule to obey.

The cast and the audience... intertwined,
as spirit moves each... to be so defined.

Some ad-lib their 'part'... in a burlesque way...
others read from scripts... all the words they 'say'.

The plot tends to ebb... or with gusto flow,
depending on how bright the moon does glow.
(just kidding... :-)

The one thing that's always consistent here...
there's much to ponder... while we sip our 'cheer'.

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Henry offers some timely RUMI:


Out
beyond
ideas of
right thinking
or wrong thinking
is a field.
I'll meet you there.

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XAN and MARCIA:

xan:

~ How about the shock of not rebuilding?
For me this was the most shocking.

Marcia:

I thought about that as I was writing. It is not really
rebuilding but letting it go. You know what I mean?


xan:
~ Maybe rebuilding as the habit of constant letting go?


Marcia:

When I get a shock my temptation is to hang onto it
and justify it or explain how it wasn't really my fault
or some such nonsense. So in being able to let it go
or give it up or even serve it up to something higher
then that is a second shock. The first shock is in keeping
enough attention to see it in the first place and the second
shock is in having enough gumption to accept it and let
it go.

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" What if the year 2000 were a new beginning, an opportunity to turn,
all together, the culture of war and violence into a culture of peace and
non-violence?"


XAN:

A shared vision with many, I'm sure.
The question is How? I guarantee it will
not be by telling people they *should*
be more peaceful and loving. That sort
of preaching and nagging approach just
stays in its own silly loop.

(and, also from Xan...)

It is quite possible not to identify emotions
- not to label them as anger, sadness, positive
or negative - but to recognize them as energies
moving through, like weather.
It is also quite possible not to identify *with*
emotions, making no value judgements on
oneself or others just because this energy
is moving through ........

What freedom!

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KRISTI:

Anyone admitting to pain, or struggling with being not at peace, is in a
relationship with their own tenderness, the innocence and sweetness of the
soul.. We all respond to threats to our children in the same
way....defensively, "righteously angry," (BTW: I have lived for 5 years with
attacks on my children and their safety...when I came here, broken-hearted,
Yet, a very much removed "attack" on her child was valued and
defended here on the list, and her response was affirmed and validated,
whereas mine was ridiculed and derided. I took from this that she really had
no idea what my experience was and therefore was not speaking to me but some
idea she had of me. My shock from her responses faded to pity for her
blindness, to disdain for her ignorance, and, ultimately, the recognition
that I had no more of a clue about her than I felt she had about me.)


ANDREW:

Terry offers from PAUL REPS:


*The Gates of Paradise*

A soldier named Nobushige came to Hakuin, and
asked: "Is there really a paradise and a hell?"
"Who are you?" inquired Hakuin.
"I am a samurai," the warrior replied.
"You, a soldier!" exclaimed Hakuin. "What
kind of ruler would have you for his guard? Your
face looks like that of a beggar."
Nobushige was so angry that he began to
draw his sword, but Hakuin continued: "So you
have a sword! Your weapon is probably much too
dull to cut off my head."
As Nobushige drew his sword Hakuin re-
marked: "Here open the gates of hell!"
At these words the samurai, perceiving the
master's discipline, bowed.
"Here open the gates of paradise," said
Hakuin.

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