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#1738 - Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - Editor: michael
Bashing The Guru
The theme for this issue is guru. In the West (US of A in particular) we know about preachers, priests, ministers, tv evangelists. We know what they are about. We have some idea who has feet of clay and who is sincere. When the gurus of India began arriving in the West a lot of us threw everything aside and gave our lives over to these self proclaimed holy people. And we did it without having the cultural understanding of the average Indian citizen. As you peruse this edition you might form the opinion that I'm against gurus and the whole guru paradigm. I'm not. But I do think that consumer awareness is a good thing. In this issue we offer some links to pages on gurus as seen from the Indian perspective. In India a guru must pass a test or tests. In India you can find gurus, swamis, and other holy folk on every street corner. Because the Indian folk know that some of these gurus are false and are really lonly ooking for a meal ticket, the Indian villagers and city dwellers don't simply accept a guru's word that the guru is a guru. The tests can include everything from insults and mocking to starvation and burning! Yikes! On that happy note - let's take a look. as ever - be well, michael
This edition is dedicated to Sarlo and his guru rating service.
Hey man, we sure could have used this back in the 1970's!
shri sarloji himself http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/Ratings.htm
http://www.om-guru.com/html/guru2.html
Gurus,
Saints, and Seekers:
Holy Men and Women in the Indian Tradition
This page is
devoted to introducing westerners to teachers from
different Indian religious traditions. It consists of
pictures and short life-stories of charismatic seekers,
saints, teachers, and gurus from the 19th and 20th
centuries who trace their religious origins to India. In
addition, references will be given to help the reader
learn more about these individuals. This is a brief essay on
the meaning of the term guru in the Hindu
Tradition. Guru in addition to its common meaning of
teacher, also means "heavy" in Sanskrit. The
role of the guru is therefore weighty or important
because it is a crucial one for a disciple. Choosing the
right guru can strongly affect a disciple's spiritual
destiny. The tradition of seeking,
evaluating, accepting, and following a guru is deeply
rooted in Hindu society from the time of the earliest
Hindu writings. However, not all disciples maintain a
close outer connection with their guru. While some
disciples spend years with their guru, others meet the
guru only once in their lifetime. Some see the guru only
in visions and dreams. In other cases, the only contact
is through written material or pictures of the guru. In Hinduism, it is
believed that certain individuals have developed
spiritually to the point where they can lead others to
liberation (moksha), or give them access to
spiritual states either in this life, or after death.
These teachers are believed to have special abilities,
such as the capacity to give darshan (a transfer
of blessings or spiritual power from guru to disciple via
glance or mantra). In addition, some Gurus are said to be
able to enter a disciple's dreams to give teachings or
initiation. Sometimes the guru's gaze can cause a
profound spiritual experience. Many students claim to
sense a spiritual atmosphere around their teacher which
affects their moods and perceptions in positive ways. |
http://www.kashiashram.com/important_issues.htm [ed. note] This is not and Indian site but, it offers some great insights.
IMPORTANT ISSUES
TO CONSIDER WHEN CHOOSING A SPIRITUAL TEACHER
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1.
What credentials does this teacher possess that qualifies him/her
to give this instruction?
2.
How does this teacher maintain his/her authority in the group or
in relationships? Does he/she claim to be the only teacher that
gives this instruction?
3.
Can you challenge the teacher's instruction? Can you question
his/her advice? What happens if you disagree with the teacher?
4.
Who does this teacher report to? If you were to complain about
the teacher, to whom would you go? Is there a system of checks
and balances within his/her line of authority?
5.
Within this organization who makes the rules? Who can change the
rules? How often does this happen? What happens when someone
breaks the rules?
6.
Within this organization who makes the rules? Who can change the
rules? How often does this happen? What happens when someone
breaks the rules?
7.
What will you be expected to 'give up' or 'sacrifice' to study
with this teacher? Ask this question in advance and be as
specific as possible.
8.
Are students free to leave this teacher/group? What happens to
those who leave?
9.
When do you graduate from this instruction?
10. How does the
teacher talk about those who have left the group? Is contact
with: them allowed, discouraged, or forbidden?
11. What attitude
does the teacher have toward maintaining relationships with
friends, family, and others outside the group?
12. What is the
teacher's attitude toward people outside the group in general?
Are you encouraged to be tolerant and understanding, or
judgmental and elite?
13. Are secrets
being kept from you? Are doors locked, access to telephones
limited, or is information restricted in any way? Do you watch
the news or read books of your choice?
14. Does this
teacher insist that the world is coming to an end in the near
future? What proof does he/she have of this? Does the teacher use
this prophecy to frighten or influence students?
15. Does this
teacher repeatedly remind you to listen to your heart and not
your head? If so, why must you disconnect from rational thought
to learn this teaching?
16. Does the group
use 'mind-altering' exercises, i.e. meditation/chanting/praying
for long periods of time, sleep deprivation, constant busyness,
protein deprivation, or the use of drugs? What scientific,
documented proof does this teacher have that these practices will
enable the student to reach higher states of consciousness?
17. Ask the teacher
about his/her attitudes about sex in the group. If celibacy is
strongly advised for the student, ask if the same standard
applies to the teacher. If the standards are different, ask why.
18. Who pays for the leader's
expenses and lifestyle? Is it dramatically different from the
students: Will your financial responsibility continue to increase
to maintain good standing? Is there an annual report for this
group? Every bonafide church, charity, and non-profit
organization has this information available for anyone who asks
for it.
These questions are meant to provide
areas of exploration. Many teachers will not respond directly to
your inquiries. We encourage you to conduct your own research and
scrutinize your teacher as closely as possible. Remember:
avoidance to your questions should raise a red flag. A healthy
spiritual community, church, or teacher, will encourage questions
about their group. Attitudes of avoidance or secrecy may tell you
something about what the future will be like in this group.
Rosanne Henry
http://www.om-guru.com/html/saints/choosinggurus.html [ed. note] this is an Indian site.
Choosing a Guru
This is a brief essay on the pitfalls
of choosing a guru for a Westerner with little experience
of India. There are a number of problems with gurus who
come to the West but the primary problem is with the
expectations of Western disciples. They do not usually
understand much about pan-Indian values and culture, and
therefore have a difficult time making informed judgments
about gurus and their behavior in the West. One of the
functions of the biographies at this site is to help
disciples make such informed choices. In order to understand how best to choose a guru in the Indian tradition, it is best to look at how it is done in India where people have been doing it for a long time. Let us discuss the expectations of Indian disciples. From my experience in West Bengal (and to a lesser extent Kerala, Delhi, and Sikkim) I will generalize a bit about the rest of India. First a distinction must be drawn between village and urban India. India is mostly village but I will attempt to speak mostly from an educated and somewhat westernized urban Indian's perspective about gurus. In Bengal, the first thing to be aware of is that it is assumed that the majority of gurus are false, and are trying to support themselves and gain social status by pretending to have knowledge they do not possess. This is in part because Indians expect the guru to be very far along the spiritual path, and it is assumed that only a very few unique souls can be true gurus. Most urban Bengalis who are interested in finding a guru have seen so many false or questionable ones that they are very skeptical about gurus. They therefore examine any prospective guru very carefully before they even consider becoming a disciple. Such an example was Vivekananda, who went to see Ramakrishna a number of times and only after vigorous internal debate finally decided to accept him as his guru. The criteria for choosing a guru are complex but a few qualities that are respected are celibacy (seven of the ten Indians mentioned at this site were celibate), lack of interest in money (some gurus like Prahlad Chandra even take a vow to refuse to ever touch money), ability to sit in meditation for hours (and even days) without any movement or disturbance. This criterion is especially important for yogic gurus such as those who are in a Shankaracharya lineage such as Paramahamsa Yogananda. Other important elements are how the guru spends his or her time. Some bhakti or devotional gurus will spend long periods of time in puja or ritual worship of a deity (an empowered statue on an altar). Others will do homa (or fire) sacrifices in the typical Vedic fashion which last for hours. Still others will sit for long periods and tell religious stories from Indian classical literature (or local village myths) describing the adventures of the gods Krishna and Radha, or Ram and Sita. A classic example of devotional guru was Prabhupad who started the Hare Krishna movement in the West. He would sing Krishna's name (do kirtan) for hours on end and expected disciples to do the same. Gurus can show they are serious about enlightenment or devotion if they seem to have no other interests but to perform religious ritual, and talk and sing about deities or religious ideas and stories. Such commitment is impressive to many Indian disciples. However since most Westerners are not that familiar with Indian religious ritual, the gurus in the West do not practice them that often and focus more on meditation . It is therefore more difficult to judge a guru's religious commitment based on the amount of external religious ritual he or she performs. Here the Western disciple is at a disadvantage since he or she cannot use this ritual behavior as an indicator of the commitment of the prospective guru. The lineage of the guru is also sometimes given great importance. Is he or she initiated and by whom? Is the guru's guru known and respected? Is there evidence that the guru was actually given initiation by the person he claims to have initiated him? Many Indians are very suspicious of gurus who claim to "be the path" and are therefore not dependent on a tradition or in a lineage themselves. Westerners should ask questions about lineage and understand the guru's background before accepting any guru as do most Indians. |
http://www.flameout.org/flameout/gurus/feetofclay.html and http://www.flameout.org/flameout/gurus/g3.html
The Good Guru Guide Lotus
- Feet of Clay A Reluctant Mystic Looks At Spiritual
Movements by John Wren-Lewis |
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A pull no punches guru bash - not for the squeamish.
http://www.flameout.org/flameout/gurus/index.html
You may find your favorite guru bashed here, heck - even the Dalai Lama gets bashed here.
On the lighter side http://www.irrelativity.com/bad_guru.html
Barry Smith's
"Bad Guru Letters"
Dear
Bad Guru,
Does my breathing pattern affect my chances of enlightenment?
Respiratory in Reseda
Dear Res,
Yes, a few months of long, deep, conscious, cleansing breaths -
in through the nose, out through the mouth - will virtually
guarantee enlightenment. But are you sure enlightenment is for
you? Does sitting on top of a mountain wearing a diaper really
sound like a sound career option? True, you are your own boss,
but theres little room for advancement.
Bad Guru recommends a lifetime of hasty, shallow breaths with
your mouth hanging slightly open and a job where you can drink
during lunch.
Enlightenment is highly overrated, in my opinion. Think of all
the people you know who really think that they are more
enlightened than you. Is there anyone you can think of who is
more annoying? This question is one which each of us can only
answer for ourselves.
In GuruRatings@yahoogroups.com
From:
"olodumare_4all" Date: Tue Mar 16, 2004 11:31 am [ed. note] this is an extract from a longer post. i've included it for it's lyrical aspects |
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Below
is an explanation of Olodumare http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NondualitySalon/message/83770
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