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#1208 - Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - Editor: Jerry

SVCS
from the I Am list

There was a large stone slab where you now see a tiny wall to the
east of Skandasram. Everyday we used to keep tooth powder and
water over there for use by Sri Bhagavan. However cold it was,
Sri Bhagavan would come and sit on the slab and clean his teeth.
In the early morning sun's rays, Sri Bhagavan's body would shine
beautifully. When it was very cold, devotees used to request him
not to sit there, but Sri Bhagavan would not listen to them. We
came to know the reason for this only later. "In Big Street,
which is to the north of Arunachaleswara Temple, there was an
elderly woman called Sowbagyathammal. She and a few others had
taken a vow that daily they would eat only after they had seen
Sri Bhagavan and Seshadriswami. Every day they used to climb the
hill to have the darshan of Sri Bhagavan.

"One day Sowbagyathammal did not come. Among his devotees, if he
found even one missing, Sri Bhagavan would ask whether he was all
right. In the same way, he asked Sowbagyathammal the next day why
she did not come the previous day. She said, "All the same I had
your darshan, Bhagavan.'' Sri Bhagavan said, "But you didn't come
yesterday.'' She replied, "I could not climb the hill because of
my weakness. But I was fortunate enough to have your darshan from
my house.'' She explained how she saw Sri Bhagavan when he was
brushing his teeth sitting on the stone slab. She said if he
brushed his teeth at the same place everyday, she would be able
to see him every day from her house itself as she found it
difficult to climb the hill. From then on, Sri Bhagavan brushed
his teeth sitting on the stone, irrespective of weather
conditions. It was a boon for other elderly people also."

from "Reminiscences" by Sri Kunjuswami

Hari Aum !!!

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HUR

From a book called "Psychology and the East," collected works of
CG Jung, translation by RFC Hull.

"I do not know whether my friend (Zimmer) found it unforgivable or
an imcomprehensible sin on my part that I had not sought out Shri
Ramana...Perhaps I should have visited Shri Ramana. Yet I fear
that if I journed to India a second time to make up for my
omission, it would fare with me just the same: I simply could not
despite the uniqueness of the occasion to bring myself to visit
this undoubtedly distinguished man personally. For the fact is, I
doubt his uniqueness; he is a type which always was and will be.
Therefore it was not necessary to seek him out. I saw him all
over India."

Jung talks about this for nearly a chapter in the book. Jung was
so charmed with "All-Oneness of Universal Being" that he was
"absolutely certain that no one could ever get beyond this, least
of all the Indian holy man himself; and should Shri Ramana say
anything that did not chime in with this melody, or claim to know
anything that trascended it, his illumination would assuredly be
false. The holy man is right when he intones India's ancient
chants, but wrong when he pipes any other tune. This effortless
drone of argumentation, so suited to the heat of southern India,
made me refrain, without regret, from a visit to Tiruvannamalai."

My personal comments: When I invite some friends to local
satsangs, Jung's explanation is incredible similar to what I hear
from friends who have found their guru. They're content and don't
seek any other guru. Perhaps Jung'd found his guru. Maybe it was
Yoda*?

*star wars movies heavily uses jung's archetypes.

GORAN

Jung had his argumentation, but basically he was afraid to meet
Ramana. Jung was a scientist, a doubter, an analyser. Ramana is
beyond analysing, beyond all archetypes, a solid oness. He simply
doesnt fit in Jung's mind. To really meet Ramana he had to drop
his analytical mind, his knowledge. Science and meditation will
never meet.

JAN BARENDRECHT

In Zimmer's book "der Weg zum Selbst", which Jung finished because
of Zimmer's sudden death, he mentions several reasons that
undoubtedly add up to the knowledge that by visiting Ramana,
nothing was to gain. Jung remarked to be fortunate to meet a
practitioner of "who am i" as he had a few doubts whether that
method could work. Which isn't a surprise, going through Ramana's
biography. The householder he met was the typical, happy devotee,
firmly rooted in "maya", making an effort for 'realization', not
concerned wHether or not that would be possible without many years
in silent meditation, hardships, like his master went through.

And who is to proclaim Ramana is beyond "analyzing etc."? That's
the conclusion of devotees, and Jung wasn't one. Ever heard of
Patanjali sutras? That could be called an ancient science of mind
- analytic no problem. Attachment to the "i am the body" idea
shows in its negation: attachment to "i am not the body" idea
then displays as utter neglect with predictable consequences.
Jung also knew that it is very rare, a devotee will "arrive" at
his/her master's "realization" without a similar effort. That
requires optimism to begin with, and a lot of it..... Unless,
"equipped" with a scientific mind, knowing it's impending demise,
enabling to do it's "voided math".

SAM

I have heard from Osho, that the real reason Jung did not go to
Ramana was his tremendous fear of death. Could that be possible,
and all these other things: Jung's claiming for example that there
are hundreds of the type like Ramana all over India, just very
sophisticated rationalizations?

JAN BARENDRECHT

A fear of death would translate into an aversion to travel so
India wouldn't have been visited at all. Jung wrote that Ramana
was the whitest spot in India and there can only be one. Having to
finish Heinrich Zimmer's book, having to write both an
introduction and an epilogue, he did a thorough job, as a kind of
last honor to a dear friend. In the epilogue Jung wrote that
Ramana's importance for the West is to emphasize that without the
"inner man", the "outer man" will perish and that he (Jung) saw
this happening in India as well. History shows, that observation
was 'right'.

GORAN

It is no fun to go to visit someone and see that he or she is
asleep. What would you do? Try to awake them? But they don't want
to be awakened. They even don't know that they are asleep. Had
they wanted to be awakened, they would have gone to Ramana. That
is the true order of things. That is the movement of
consciousness. Ramana did not want to go to them because he dindnt
want to go to sleep. It is hard to stay awake if everybody around
you is sleeping. He probably concluded that it is better to be
alone, static and awawke than to travel in sleep. There are
masters who went to the West, like Osho and others. Osho knew that
he was going to the sleeping ones. He was more enthusiastic than
Ramana, and he was more compassionate. Who would pay a visit to
the sleeping? He shouted there trying to awake someone. And he
succeded with a few, but majority decided to go on sleeping with
their ambitions, they were very angry at him because he disturbed
their sleep. So they threw him back to India. What fools... :)

CORNIE

Ha haha "he didn't want to go to sleep" you're funny; but that
implies that environment played pivotal role in keeping RM awake,
no?

I don't know to whom the compassionate awards go to. In the same
way I can sympathize with Willie Loman, I "identify" and
empathize with the mod day enlightened, like the Krishnamurtis .
These guys did/do like some of you: put on a suit, schlep through
airports and maybe even haggle over cabfare inorder to bring the
wisdom to seekers. Do you know how much "enlightenment" is
misplaced, like luggage, while just doing an interstate book
tour?

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MICHAEL READ

God's Home Page

http://www.netstore.de/~god/

yup! heeheehee

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Round and Holy

http://www.ee0r.com/proj/bagels.html

WARNING: not for the faint of spirit!

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Great sights on this site. http://www.alexgrey.com/

So...that's what your light body may look like? hm...fun stuff

what in the cosmos is the cosmos? ... hohoho!

hello? anybody in there?

let's take a peek .. hm de dum de um dee oh .... nope!
nobody there
just some random awareness
looking for adventure
taking whatever comes
zippadeedoodah!

no sir! uh-uh! nope!
gotta be more serious than that, man
you nuts if you go around zippadadee alla thuh time!
it's rough and tumble in the old universe
bang! rocks and things whizzing around all over!

man wants folk to let it happen
let some new society spring up
peace love no BOMBS and stuff like that

can't tell nobody nothing
just pisses them off
scares them
hey!
what?
you one with unigod coporation
they just say - he crazy.

ha! crazy man why you so razy crazy?
what? no one to do the saving?
so now what crazy man?
no one to save? hah!

everybhoddhisilly for self!
free self for everybhoddhisillyself
no charge for what you aleady got, eh?

plinka - michael
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JERRY
from NDS

Zen Garden's Calming Effect Due to Subliminal Image?

It's a 30- by 10-meter (roughly 98- by 32-foot) rectangle
surrounded by earthen walls on three sides and a wooden veranda on
the fourth. Inside the rectangle is a vista of white pebbles and
15 rocks. And it is world famous for the peace and serenity anyone
and everyone who visits it feels.

Visual-imaging scientists in Japan say they've figured out what it
is about the garden that engenders this serenity. The secret: The
more than 500-year-old garden is harboring a subliminal message
in the form of a tree.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/09/0925_020925_zengarden.html

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