jan

One of the funniest things in these forums has been that no one
asked for the "why" of the label "enlightened" - would you know?
(you may speculate too!)

The mechanism of intense suffering is that it paints all experience with the color of pain.
Only when that remains as irrefutable in the mind and the consequences taken, that inevitably
leads to what is termed "enlightenment". This description doesn't take away the mystery but
moves it to "how could "it" have been overlooked??" Having been through it, i could easily write
a lengthy commentary on the Kathopanishad, in English, without "funnies" like "suppression" ;-)

The "marriage" between mysticism and QM is too obvious to be overlooked: for instance,
applying the required amount of energy to an electron encircling a nucleus, brings it to an
orbit of higher energy and when the electron "falls back" it transmits a discrete amount of
energy (specific color), a property used in fireworks before the mechanics were known.

With the human mind the same applies: emptiness the "ground state", all "human issues"
encircling it. Applying the required amount of (psychic/life) energy and as a figure of speech,
a specific issue goes into a higher orbit and only then, can be fully known. When unfamiliar
with the mechanism, resistance shows as pain.The analogy then is like trying to heat water
in a kettle that hasn't been put on the furnace: the house could burn down instead.

The basic issue is "emptiness" which invariably shows up when convinced, manifested life
when taken as "the only reality" cannot truly satisfy and hence, is but a reminder of deep
unhappiness. For males, the issue "lives" in the mind as arguments causing pain (emotion)
and for females, "lives" in the mind as emotions, causing arguments. (Another take at the
"Krishna/Radha" archetype)
Peace,
Jan

John Duff CentreOfFriends

Dan Berkow ConsciousnessIsAll

Hi Atagrasin,

Conceptuality involves seemingly adding
something, through removing, or making
background, what that something is not.

Conceptuality, which includes perception
and time, involves a foreground/background
situation.

The idea of absolute truth is merely another
aspect of conceptuality, being an aspect
of the foreground/background situation
with relative truth.

You have formulated an idea of absolute truth,
and then propose that you can't know this
idea. But you yourself invented it.

In truth, you can't know anything, because
you can't know yourself.

Yet, you know yourself fully, by simply being
yourself.

You are totally unknown, knowing nothing as object,
and thus having no knowledge that pertains, to
which knowing could be attached.

So this not-knowing is perfect knowing, perfect peace.

Namaste,
Dan

cee livejournal

Ten women went on a hike. Coming to a wide river they all had to ford their way across. When they got
to the other side they counted to see if everyone was there. Each of them counted and each of them
came up with only nine. Everyone was sad because they had lost one woman. A wise woman came along
and saw their dilemma. She counted each woman giving them each a big hug-- one, two, three, ... all the
way to ten. Alas all were safe and sound. Each woman realized her mistake. She had forgotten to count
herself!
*
This is a new rendition of an old Vedantic story. It is a story for those who want enlightenment. The
purpose of the story is to turn our attention inward. We normally go about our everyday lives assuming
we are some person with a history in a solid world. We react and respond to everything around us and
forget to bring awareness to ourselves. In fact most of us live our whole lives without ever knowing who
we really are! Like the women in the story we tend to see everything else except our own existence. And
that existence is actually the key to permanent peace and happiness.
*
Unlike what you may think or have been told, enlightenment is completely possible in this lifetime for any
woman who has a keen desire for it. It is a matter of finding out who we REALLY are. Our existence is
much vaster than being a mere woman in a world. Our existence is Absolute. When we clearly see all the
forms of ourselves that are fleeting and temporary we come to rest as who we truly are. Who we truly
are is undying and ever ever free. May all come to this Understanding.

Dave Mason livejournal

a man is walking down a dusty road
he is alone
he keeps looking over his shoulder,
suddenly, we know why he does this.
he is looking for the leader!
we want to say to him
why do you look back there?
and he seems to answer,
that's the only place a leader can
come from, it's the only place I know.
and we find ourselves saying,
but you are the leader, there is
no one else in front of you.

as if from nowhere
a voice says
turn your face into the wind, friend.