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Highlights #292

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SKYE writes to GENE:

You really do have this ability to
abide in any point of
view, how relaxing your company must
be and so refreshing to
yourself also. I still have
resistances, trivial tantrums
and then i sense important data is
resisted. But then there
are moments of cavernous openings and
nonresistance, then i
really understanding what you mean by
nondual abiding.


GENE:

Thanks. You report that you are 'still alive and alove'. No argument here!

Each resistance is a 'lump of coal for the boiler'. And there is no
fuel, like an old fuel.

Spring is happening here... ahhh...


JERRY responds:

Gene Poole is very easy to be with. You can feel very open
with him. He has a quality of evenness and emptiness covered
with a strong, clear skin of ego. I learned something about
ego from him, though I'm not sure I've assimilated it all. I
still can't see myself. I'm not sure what my ego is, yet I'm
socially distinct, but I'm not exactly sure what I need to
be doing to keep that distinction clear, healthy and open.
I've never really thought about it. Or maybe I have and
don't realize it. I don't think in terms of the psychic skin
known as ego. What is it and how to keep it strong and
healthy?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
a look at profanity:


MELODY:

For me, profanity is very useful. Man, oh man, sometimes
nothing communicates frustration, anger, being 'off center',
more than a good 'shit' or 'damn'. When I use them....not
only does it serve to release some 'locked up' energy....it
also serves as a kind of 'turning point' for me....an opportunity
to recognize that 'my will' is in opposition to 'thy will'....
that I am in resistance to what is happening right now....
and it invites me to stop and look and listen.

Osho's joke about the sister was particularly funny to me
because it made light of our tendency to 'repress' certain
wrong or impolite feelings, thoughts, and expressions,

and even then suggests that despite all our 'cloaks' of spirituality,
we cannot escape what we're holding onto inside.


HANS:

Hey Melody, what do you think of "holy shit". I prefer that one because it
links the holy with something very down to earth ............... :)

Humor forever


NEO:

There is a difference between repressing negative emotions, fully
feeling them, and acting them out. It is not a choice only between
repression and acting out. Would it perhaps be more useful to go
within and totally explore the negative emotion rather than acting it
out? If you were in the presence of God (which you are) would you say
that fucking Christ is just a piece of holy shit?

There is a difference between repressing negative emotions, fully
feeling them, and acting them out. It is not a choice only between
repression and acting out. Would it perhaps be more useful to go
within and totally explore the negative emotion rather than acting it
out? If you were in the presence of God (which you are) would you say
that fucking Christ is just a piece of holy shit?


DAVE:

I'm hadn't been very good at controlling anger at certain levels, like when
driving
here in Chile. But about a year ago I realized that every time I directed
anger at some(one/thing), I lost my connection. For me, it wasn't that it
was
a bad thing to do, or that it made me feel better at the moment, but that it
distracted me from what IS. I realized that I was cursing at "myself". Now I
just cruise along in traffic, and everybody else is going for a ride of
"bumper cars". It's great, I haven't felt better in traffic, or other things
for that matter.


XAN:

One of the funniest things I have heard in my entire life
was a tape of Osho responding to a woman's question:
Bhagwan, I hear a lot of your students using the F---
word and it makes me very uncomfortable. What
should I do?

He went on for over 30 minutes about the many and
varied uses of the word *fuck*. I rolled on the floor
laughing. Brilliant humor! Maybe some old sannyasins
(his students) still have it lying around.


MELODY:
I'm not sure if this is the same one or not, as his comments
are in response to a different question.....but you can hear
his hilarious comments about this word by clicking the
RA audio button next to:

"What is the most important word in our language"

at http://osho.com/talks/audio/audio.htm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

in a different thread:


GLO:

It all reminds me of a favorite cartoon that I kept until it fell into
shreds. This guy was saying, "I am going to give up one bad habit a day until
they are all gone." And this old crone, who come to think of it was a lot
like our Old Hag, says, " I am sorry I will not live to see the victory
celebration."

XAN:

That's the trap isn't it? Giving up habits/tendencies
with a future goal of self perfection.

Instead there is the option to give up Now whatever
self-constructed trap shows up, and just for the
blessed experience of giving up.

That is the discrimination practice of jnana yoga.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

a few quotes from Ram Tzu:


You clever ones
Are always looking for a way
to beat the system.

You want Enlightenment
You want eternal bliss
You want the ultimate orgasm
You want it all...
And
You want to be around
To enjoy it.

This renders you
The ultimate sucker.
You are fair game. :-)

You get baptized and analyzed
You get rolfed and ESTed
You meditate and vegetate
You're rebirthed and realigned
You're fucked and sucked.
You chant, you rant.
You heal the child within,
You collect money in airports
You get in touch with your feelings.
You have your palms, your cards,
Your auras and your chakras read.

If you're very clever
You go to India, Tibet,
Thailand, China...

In your hert
You know the Truth is incompatible
With indoor plumbing.

You humbly contract dysentery or hepatitis.
You pretend that Sai Baba
is different from Oral Roberts.

It's a wonder Ram Tsu hasn't died laughing.

~~~~

[also from Ram Tzu:]

You believe in yourself
You believe in
The power of positive thinking
You attend seminars
To gain control of your life.

Once again you become pregnant
With visions of limitless opportunities,
All yours for the grabbing.

You need merely to
Set your goals
Define your wants
Establish priorities.

Then you can march off
To claim all
That is rightfully yours.

Ram Tzu has a question for you....

What went wrong 'this' time?



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

DAN:

In many religions are found metaphors about victory. Victory over
ignorance, victory over evil impulses, victory over selfish tendencies,
even victory over the world! Also found are metaphors in which
victor and conquered are not-two, in which nothing is split.
One aspect is transcendent of everything, the other aspect is
inclusive of everything. The paradox is that both are true, everything
is included, nothing excluded - also, everything is transcended and
"left behind". I guess it's a case of winning by not rejecting,
victory by not-contesting, conquering by being conquered, being
by releasing all existence.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

also from DAN:

What is the meaning of this flower?
It grows its petals with no
need to read books or hear
lectures about petal-growing.
Who will improve on this flower
by explaining to it
the meaning of its being?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A new voice from another 'Andrew',
today known as ANDY/AUDREY:


For years I tried to meditate and understand spiritual stuff while feeling
plain humanly scared and unsafe. I was just too upset
and angry and resentful to risk the vulnerability of being myself.

Funny thing! The moment I started to pay attention to how I was actually
feeling - crummy (not the word but the way I was actually
feeling in me body) - in a friendly genuine way - instead of trying to get past
it - my quivering hurtin' self could relax and soon
as it did it could feel its . . . o my god that's joy, that's . . spiritual
presence I'd been longing for, buried in the moment I
was most avoiding.

So finding a way to witness "the hurt" so it can know you truly do understand
moves things. (The opposite of drowning in the hurt or
being beat up by it!) But it's the nature of unenlightenment that "what's
actually there" is our experience of being identified with
some hurt. It's also not a place we want to go - we're sure we're going to
find we're stuck with what ails us. In fact, we see we
never really had it.

This door to "I am" through the hurt is a call for me. (The best 'art/method'
for all this that I've found is "Focusing" as
developed by Gene Gendlin; Focusing came out of therapy but I'm interested in
meditative applications.

The hurt, met compassionately on its own ground, offers you its real nature,
"I am".


andy/audrey

Andrew Carter MacDonald but was switching to andy to distinguish me from the
excellent andrew macnab. But secretly wanting this
morning to switch to audrey - must be a cross-writer in me. I've a pet peeve
about the way our gender-identification makes
assumptions about who we all are. Today I wanna be both.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

XAN:

My favorite bits from Dan's exquisite clarity:


The only way to truly be beyond self-deception is when there is
no "framing of reality" by words, ideas, or sense-based images.

It "reveals" to itself its own nature ... Funny that there was the
impression that there could be something blocking it.

I am not under any illusion that any scheme of reality is a substitute
for Reality.

The value of all of this is ultimately for the "relative mind" to prepare
itself for "giving itself away".

My observation is that "Shining Through" doesn't depend
on how I understand ... all the wonderful concepts we
use as we share our "journey into Now"...

... the "Beyond" is here fully Now, and *is* Now,
and none of our words add or subtract :-)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

XAN, in her own words:

All degrees of awakening
as this boundless Heart
are blessings for me.
All signs of deep slumber
in suffering
are sad.

It is true -
I can no longer pretend
they are happening
to someone else.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MARCIA:

I do have another set of i's that say I am talking
about "me" too much and drawing too much attention to
myself and no one wants to hear all that all the time. :-)

MARCIA:

No worries. That is what they say in Australia.

Well something is coming out. Maybe each "i" has to say a few words
as it has it's day in the sun. The "i's" are blameless: they are programs
and not the programmer. I would add that whatever is on "Marcia's"
case has to be another Marcia so the judger is blameless too. Whatever
is real wouldn't blame. The programmer is blameless also as he just
did what was needed in the moment to protect the innocent. It is
just that the programs keep running. Somebody has to break the
nexus between the stimulus and the "reactional" program which
automatically loads itself.

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