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Issue #1244 - Thursday, October 31, 2002 - Edited by
The following posts are from Live Journal
from Live Journal
a prayer unspoken
yet constant -
the darkest silence
it echos clear
and loud -
the deafest ears
knowing - seeing
breathing - silence
Let there be
only acceptance -
in the reality
As it is -
of it's reality.
for what it is.
It can not
That is good.
That is bad.
No less -
Fear is false evidence -
Go through it.
Your destiny was established
before you ever got here.
Darkness is a part
of your journey.
When you can not see,
In this moment,
you will know
what is real
and what is not.
Discussion from Live Journal:
What becomes enlightened?
Nothing. And everything.
Could it be said that enlightened (or illuminated) are
very different things than awakened?
To be enlightened means to have light transfered to you.
To be illuminated, means to have light cast on you. To be
awakened, means to open your eyes, and see that the light
was there all along.
You're right... no dust can land on and obscure the
mirror, so polishing the mirror isn't necessary.
It seems to just be a slight shift in focus and maybe not
even that, just an innate acknowledgement that the
believed persona apart from the outside (and that there
wasn't really an inside apart from the outside) didn't
exist as a seperate entity, that it had been a myth built
from hearing it too many times and believing it and not
really investigating independently and believing the eyes
instead of so called "common sense".
I guess at some point the independence of mind and
observation coupled with hearing words from others was
parts of letting the belief of an independent self go. I
guess fear of what would happen if the acknowledgement
took place held it back too.
enlightenment is death. it's an end to the subject that's
looking out at the world. it's stepping into the mirrored
pond and becoming nothing but the pond. it's not an
understanding. it's not an answer. it's ignoring the
question. it's stop talking about it. it's a candle
before they invented fire.
and we'll all be enlightened some day.
To me, enlightenment means that you are at
peace with your limited but limitless understanding of
the reality of the present moment. You are no longer
consumed with your past, nor are you overwhelmed about
the unknown future. You have found contentment in what is
placed before you in any given moment. You have the
ability to now see through things, that once was
impossible to understand. Not because of anything you
have accomplished, rather by what you have let go of. You
have let go of your personal self, as it once was -- and
became a new being. You are able to look into the eyes of
another, and see the words and where they come from --
within that man, rather than hear the words and determine
their meaning with your mere ears. You are able to
understand what "truth" is... with only silence. You
simply are one with this divine new source of love and
power within you. You illuminate with pure radiance.
I don't know how to define enlightenment. Whatever one
says is not going to be it, that's why all spiritual talk
has been called prattle. Didn't Buddha hold up a
flower, or something? It's a slipping into seeing things
as they are. Once something is seen 'as it is', it is
gone. That includes the witness, or the I Am, or the
deepest knowledge. When everything is gone, because it
simply IS, what is there? There's nothing seen, no seer,
I think Awesboss' question "what is it that becomes
enlightened ?" isn't only a good question but also
answers the question pretty well. "To become enlightened"
is something of an oxymoron, there isn't anything or
anyone that becomes enlightened, in the sense that there
is something that suddenly transforms into something
else. Instead enlightenment seems to be something of the
opposite, something falls away and one sees that
enlightenment has always existed, it's always been
present and in the end enlightenment is all one sees of
Some of what falls away is the sense and belief of being
a person separate from the surroundings (subject/object
relationship), of being something separate from
God/Spirit/Tao/(definition of God) and of being separate
from other beings. Some say time and the sense of events
taking place falls away too, but that's talking about
what enlightenment isn't, not what it is. It's hard to
put into words that which is completely beyond words but
which is what reads these words anyway. "The
attributelessness of pure being" is one description of
enlightenment which I like.
Does something specific and significant happen to the
self? Does daily life change ?
I would say on an inner plane, not necessarily on the
plane of appearances or career or external life,
something does happen and that's a relief, a movement
away from a cramped, frustrated, helpless self battling
every emotion and thought in the narrow space between
fear and pleasure. Something opens up and relaxes and
breathes more easily and the battling in that narrow
space takes on a sheen of joy whatever is done, even when
frustrated or helpless or battling. :)) When that joy is
significant, daily life has to change but then again, at
the level of events, maybe it doesn't. It's not the world
which changes but the way you look at it and more
specifically, the way you look at yourself.
how does one know when one is enlightened?
Some say when the sense of self and witness is gone, when
all emotions turn to pure awareness, when there is
awareness even in dreamless sleep, when the body stops
breathing but still keeps on living and a lot of other
fun sounding stuff. I guess the answer ties in with "what
is it that becomes enlightened ?"... it's not being
anything, it's living empty space and free movement.
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